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Rights in America Today
Published on July 7, 2008 By vampann In Politics

(This is a paper that I wrote for one of my courses.  Opinions welcomed)

 

 

 

“No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.”  The Fifth Amendment (Nash, et al., 2006, pp. A-9)

The Bill of Rights guarantees under the Fifth Amendment the right of due process.  What this means is that we, as Americans are innocent until proven guilty.  This amendment provides us with five protections against actions by the government that may be capricious.  To begin with, we find that prosecution for a crime without a grand jury indictment is not possible.  To persecute an individual for the same crime twice, or to force an individual to testify against one’s self is within the Fifth Amendment, which we as Americans simply cannot do.  The Government may not deprive an individual of life, liberty or property nor can the government take our property for a public purpose without giving us fair payment for it.  It is this amendment, which I feel the United States since September 11, 2001 has greatly compromised with their current disposition of dealing with terrorism.  It is my assertion that the Fifth Amendment while a cornerstone of American society has become a dilapidated burden in the war on terror in their pursuits, that America has forgotten the convention of Due Process.

In American Society, we find that the three most known historical documents are the Bill of Rights preceded by the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence (Our Documents).  The order that these are in comes as no surprise as they seem to stem in order right out of our history.  These three documents, important enough to us that we learn them in middle school, junior high school, high school and even in college, are so well known that we even seem to celebrate the freedoms they bring with them.  The importance of these documents is of no question, but what these documents mean these days stem from a grave imperative that seems to bring to question the manner in which our democratic society functions.  Since 9/11, we have found that new laws created seem to curtail our freedoms, yet instead of feeling violated in some manner, we seem to feel safer knowing that these violations of our freedoms are protecting us in some manner.

From the Dred Scott v Sanford ruling, which was of the opinion that freeing Scott would be a clear violation of the Fifth Amendment to modern day rulings of Boumedine v. Bush where prisoners of Guantanamo Bay have a right to habeas corpus.  These rulings show that Americans fully believe and want to protect not only their freedoms but also the freedoms of those around them. 

Dred Scott v Sanford was an issue of Slavery versus Property Rights.  Dred Scott felt that because he was taken into an area where slavery was restricted due to legal regulations (the Missouri Compromise), he should be considered a free man, in turn he sued his owner for this freedom.  Part of the issue was if a slave legally could use the courts to sue his owner and if he was truly a citizen of the United States.  The Supreme Court decided that slaves were indeed, property and therefore not citizens so they could not use the courts.  The court focused on the rights of the owner, not the rights of the slave stating that “freeing Scott would be a clear violation of the Fifth Amendment because it would amount to depriving Sanford of his property without due process of law” (Touro Law Center, 2006).

In the current case, Boumedine v. Bush, we are seeing where United States intelligence officers suspected involvement in a terrorist plot by six men, including Boumedine, whom the United States classified as enemy combatants and subsequently detained.  A writ of Habeas Corpus was filed for alleging violations of due process (as well as violations of various statutes and treaties, the common law and international laws) (The Oyez Project).  This brings into question the rights of those whom we take prisoner in regards to war.  The Fifth Amendment clearly states that we may do such, but does it make it ethically or legally correct to do such?  What if the individuals who we are denying rights to, suddenly found to be innocent of the crimes of which they are accused, were to object to our persecution?   Would our lack of objection to the Patriot remain the same if we were to start accusing Christians of this crime?

To put this case in light, let us focus on the mere aspect of two groups of Americans accused of such terrorism, both taking part in different periods to examine how we have changed.  First, let us look at the Rosenberg’s, who were executed for the crime of treason during the McCarthy era. Following this, we will examine the case of the Oregon Lawyer, Brandon Mayfield who was held erroneously for a crime of terrorism. These two cases will demonstrate how much the United States has changed within the past 60 years, in regards to due process.

Ethel and Julius Rosenberg’s story is one that is well known.  During the McCarthy era many individuals were accused of being Communists.  Their tale takes place during this time, when the cold war and development of the Atomic bomb was imminent, when war heroes such as General Douglas McArthur and Winston Churchill praised the Communists, for the war efforts against Nazi Germany; there is little doubt that such praise may encourage individuals to be Communists.  There is little doubt that individuals during this time were anti-Communist within the United States, and there is little doubt that there was an underlying pro-Communist movement transpiring due to the praise given (Linder, 2001).

No matter how much of a farce this trial may have been, nor how much truth underlies its evidentiary procedures, the fact remains that the Rosenberg’s were found guilty of the crime of treason.  Judge Kaufman's statement and sentencing was in accord with the seriousness of the crime at that time, “I consider your crime worse than murder. Plain deliberate contemplated murder is dwarfed in magnitude by comparison with the crime you have committed. In committing the act of murder, the criminal kills only his victim. The immediate family is brought to grief and when justice is meted out the chapter is closed. But in your case, I believe your conduct in putting into the hands of the Russians the A-bomb years before our best scientists predicted Russia would perfect the bomb has already caused, in my opinion, the Communist aggression in Korea, with the resultant casualties exceeding 50,000 and who knows but that millions more of innocent people may pay the price of your treason. Indeed, by your betrayal you undoubtedly have altered the course of history to the disadvantage of our country” (Linder, 2001).

The Rosenberg’s proclaimed their innocence until the day of their execution on June 19, 1953.  However, unlike today’s cases where we see individuals being held without due process, individuals being held as prisoners of a war which is still undetermined on how exactly one predicts to win a war on an idea rather than on a people, they were given due process.  They were permitted to use the judicial system of America to the best of their ability and determined to be, after the fact, guilty as charged.

Today we see individuals being held in locations outside of the United States, given no due process and being guilty until proven innocent.  The guilt of the individuals stems from an issue of their religious beliefs.  A blatent violation of not only the first amendment but also of the nineth amendment where we are guarneteed freedom against religious persecution.  We single out those who pratice Islamic beliefs and claim that they are, in fact, terrorists, not because of any amount of proof which we may or may not have to determine this, but because we have proclaimed a war on a subject which is at best difficult to prove the idealization of until it is too late.  We have proclaimed a war on an idea, one that in the best interests in our country seems to invite our persecution of beliefs that go outside of our Christian norm and place itself in the realm of deviancy.

The process we find now comes into this semblence of control.  We find someone who we believe to be a terrorist, it is not merely enough for them to be “just” a terrorist, but we also must find one whom is Islamic, or Muslim in order to prove that these intentions are justified and proper.  We then, much as we did during the McCarthy era, accuse them of being a Terrorist (or Communist if you want to equate such).  In this process, instead of providing them with at least a trial and a means of getting out of this accusation, we use the Patriot Act to our advantage, we use survalence, we witness them attending their religious services, we then proclaim that they are plotting against the United States.  From this point, they are no longer seen as “innocent” but they are now combatants in a “war”.  As combatants they have very different rights, they have different motivations and the military has a right to detain them.  The military has a right to question them without legal representation in order to preform their duties and protect our country, even if they are American Citizens, naturalized or born.

This process includes removing from them their constitutional rights, which if they are Muslim, we have removed already by our own determination that their religious beliefs are “terroristic” in nature.  To see the rights of any group removed in such a manner brings to question our own rights, and it also brings to mind George Orwell’s book, “1984”, “People simply disappeared, always during the night. Your name was removed from the registers, every record of everything you had ever done was wiped out, and your one-time existence was denied and then forgotten. You were abolished, annihilated [sic]: vaporized was the usual word” (1948, p. 20).  To realize that at any moment simply because of the religion you choose to practice, within a country built upon religious persecution and the determination to be able to practice the religion one chooses freely without interference from the government, brings to question what is the true purpose behind the ideas that America was founded upon. 

This brings us to the case of Brandon Mayfield, an Oregon lawyer accused by the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) to be a terrorist responsible for the Madrid Bombings.  In this case, the FBI used the Patriot Act to determine that Mr. Mayfield was guilty of crimes of treason, and they in turn, arrested him and held him.  While a Grand Jury convened, Mr. Mayfield found himself denied several key elements, based off the high profile of the crime.  First, rather than subpoena him to answer for his crime the government decided that it was best to hold him in prison.  The government refused to permit him to have access to the proper legal methods of defending himself, they denied the defense an opportunity to question or challenge any of the key witnesses or evidence.  This in turn created issues and problems, which is normal any time the accused is an attorney, and the government chooses to search the attorney’s place of business, for this creates even more issues if it is a defense attorney, and there are open cases which confidentiality is an issue. 

Under the fourth amendment, a warrant, in order to obtain one, should have some support by probable cause, however, the Patriot Act has done away with the necessity of probable cause, and your religious practices are enough to condemn you regardless of the actuality of having committed a crime.  Franz Kafka’s classic novel, “The Trial”, in many ways mirrors what happened to Mr. Mayfield, and seems to be a projection straight from novels into true life.  Apparently, what you practice in religious beliefs is slanderous enough to have you arrested (Epps, 2007). 

When you find yourself arrested like this, it is different, as Kafka points out,  “It seems to me that it's something very complicated - forgive me if I'm saying something stupid -something very complicated that I don't understand, but something that you don't really need to understand anyway” (2008, p. 7).  In “The Trial”, Kafka seems to be pointing out that individuals need to have the right of due process and all that entails.  Without due process, we fall, as a society into a realm of deviancy that we cannot correct.  We fail as a society to recognize individual differences and see how these differences complete our society rather than hinder, we find that we object so strenuously to these differences we merely destroy all differences so that we may find ourselves beholden to the norms of society.  In America, the norms constitute being a Christian, but what transpires if we are not?  In today’s society, we have seen what the Patriot Act entitles officials to do in order to secure our safety from Terrorism, we are at war with a concept, and one that is difficult to prove until the act of terror is complete.

Yet America’s principles founded on Freedom of religion, so why now do we find that we are returning to a period of having to hide our own religious practices?  Why now do we proclaim terrorism to be such a driving force that the accusation is enough to cause panic in the hearts of Christian men and women worldwide?  Should we look back to the crusades where we slaughtered millions for their religious beliefs and refusal to convert?  Should we truly return to that stage in time?  Or perhaps the McCarthy era is enough for us to return to where we blackball people and persecute entire families off the belief that they’re different from us so we should cast them out and starve them until they return to where they came from?  What is the ethical thing to do?  To permit individuals to practice their religious beliefs, develop tolerance and permit the risk of terrorist attacks to transpire or to persecute innocent individuals based off a religious belief that we do not beholden ourselves to?

 

 

Generally, the rights guaranteed by due process are simple.   One has the following rights:  to a fair and public trial conducted in a competent manner; to be present; to an impartial jury; to be heard in one’s defense, to reasonably written laws so one can comprehend what is criminal behavior (Mount, 2006).  While dealing with the Patriot Act, we find that we have denied ourselves the protections that were once within our Constitution.  No longer do we have freedom of religion, freedom from persecution; but instead we now find that we persecute individuals based off their religious beliefs, and claim that Muslim practitioners must be terrorists.  Why it is that we equate one to the other seems to be merely because they fail to obtain the Christian norm that we subscribe to, yet was not our original norm freedom of religion based off our own history, our own persecution by England for desiring to practice our own form of religious beliefs? 

What is it that makes us think that we are important as a society, that our beliefs are superior to all others?  Is it because we are a democratic nation, which founded on Christian beliefs?  What happens when an individual Muslim shows us that not all are as we have determined them to be?  That not all are in a Jihad against the United States – have we not seen this?  Do we not understand this to be true?  The war that we find ourselves fighting in Iraq, and Afganistan are difficult to explain.  We are going after individuals, based off their religious beliefs, and persecuting them, and with this persecution, we find that we decimate our own constitutional rights in order to subject them to our own understanding of their beliefs.  Did we not do this during the Crusades when we tried to force the Muslims into Christian beliefs?  Is this not in some manner a repeat of history?

First they came for the Jews

and I did not speak out

because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for the Communists

and I did not speak out

because I was not a Communist.

Then they came for the trade unionists

and I did not speak out

because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for me

and there was no one left

to speak out for me. (Niemöller, 1934)

 

How true even today these lines are.  We as Americans do not speak out, not against the presecution, which we are; finding ourselves subjecting others to simply because of the divergence from our Christian based faith.  Even more so, we find that we do not speak out simply because of our own fear of an accusation of being a terrorist and imprisoned unjustly, without a fair trial at Guantanamo Bay.  Yet we are more than willing to allow others, whom we claim to be “combatants” regardless of the truth of it to be imprisoned and held without any rights and without any manner of obtaining due process from our own country.  They may not challenge us.  They may not have a trial; they may not have any opportunity to prove their guilt or innocence.  They merely are guilty of a crime of being Muslim, perhaps, some are indeed, terrorists, but the guilt of a few does not justify the injustice to an entire population.

To this end, we must as a people look at the injustice we are doing, not only to ourselves, but also to those around us within society and see if this war on terror is really our own form of terrorizing others or if it is a proper and necessary subjugation of our own rights.  Are we prepared to delve into a future for our children where religious persecution is unavoidable?  Alternatively, do we desire a future for our children that is better then what we had.  I seriously have doubts that this type of internal strife and struggle is what the framers had in mind when creating the Bill of Rights.  This struggle and balancing act with the Patriot Act is one that is a daunting process, yet one must truly challenge the ability to declare war on an idea that is so abstract that it is difficult to prove until after an attack transpires.  It is in this manner that we find the dilapidation of the Fifth Amendment and with it; our constitutional rights seem to be foreign even to ourselves.

 

 


 

Works Cited:

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Linder, D. (2001). Famous Trials. Retrieved July 5, 2008, from The Rosenberg Trial: http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/rosenb/ROSENB.HTM

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Our Documents. (n.d.). Retrieved July 5, 2008, from The People's Vote: http://www.ourdocuments.gov/content.php?flash=true&page=vote

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Comments
on Jul 08, 2008
Today we see individuals being held in locations outside of the United States, given no due process and being guilty until proven innocent. The guilt of the individuals stems from an issue of their religious beliefs. A blatent violation of not only the first amendment but also of the nineth amendment where we are guarneteed freedom against religious persecution. We single out those who pratice Islamic beliefs and claim that they are, in fact, terrorists, not because of any amount of proof which we may or may not have to determine this, but because we have proclaimed a war on a subject which is at best difficult to prove the idealization of until it is too late. We have proclaimed a war on an idea, one that in the best interests in our country seems to invite our persecution of beliefs that go outside of our Christian norm and place itself in the realm of deviancy.


You have a good and well researched article, I think your understanding of our laws is a little flawed.

As long as they are not American citizens and in fact illegal combatants there are no laws being broken. All of this is in accord with international law and the Geneva Conventions. The fact that they were not shot on the spot which is also allowed in dealing with terrorists and spies shows how far we have bent over to treat them well.

The tribunals are legal and in accordance with the Geneva Conventions and international law. Just because you want them treated differently does not mean that any laws were broken.

You see they were not arrested in the United States they were arrested on the battle field. The laws of land warfare take precedence not our laws or local laws. Go to the Geneva Conventions website and you will see that all the people in Gitmo are held legally and in accordance with the Conventions and international law. These laws were written before WWI so they are not some new laws made up just for these people to evade the US legal system. Our laws do not apply outside our borders. If that were true then we could expect to be treated as our laws state when our citizens are arrested outside our nation. All military people are instructed in these laws before they graduate basic training and have to have week long refresher courses at least once a year.

Terrorist and spies are specifically NOT covered by international laws or the Geneva Conventions because all nations agreed they should not be. It means that if they are not in the uniform of their nation and caught on the battle field with a weapon they are considered spies and can be shot on the spot. This is why Iraqi soldiers are not in Gitmo because they wore the uniform of the Iraqi military. When these terrorist are caught they are documented. If anyone in the chain of custody messes with the documents they can be shot. Yes, the US punishment for messing with capture documents starts with 20 years hard labor in prison and ends with execution by firing squad. This is why I believe the people in Gitmo are terrorists.

To help prove my point we currently have in custody three Iranian general officers, captured in Iraq and held in Iraq not Gitmo because they had proof they belonged to the Iranian military. The almost three thousand Iranian soldiers are also held in Iraq not Gitmo. It is against the Geneva Conventions to transport combatants outside of the theater of operations. It is also against international law. In both laws terrorist and spies are not covered by them. The law is not vague, it all but says whatever we do to them is ok. This was purposely designed to discourage terrorists and spies.

The United States has chosen to give them trials to ensure that they are being treated fairly. We are not required to do this but once we start the process we have to follow through.

The laws of land warfare also state that we do not have to release the prisoners until the war is over. We do not have to have them stand trial until after the war either. So once again we are following the laws as they stood when they were captured.

You seem to want us to break international laws as well as the Geneva Conventions and from your article I don’t understand why.

The question of their religious faith is not an issue. All they have to do is be out of a recognized uniform and in possession of a weapon, have a witness testify that they used that weapon against our troops and that is it. In that part of the country you won’t find many Christians or Jews so the people we detain are going to be predominantly Muslim, I think that at last count we had on Jew caught up and five Christians, all but three Christians have been released but none were sent to Gitmo. They were Iraqi soldiers or politicians. Though some want it to seem like the war is on Muslims that is not the case. It is against people that want to kill us using terror tactics. This group is mainly Muslim so that is who we get.
on Jul 08, 2008
Generally, the rights guaranteed by due process are simple. One has the following rights: to a fair and public trial conducted in a competent manner; to be present; to an impartial jury; to be heard in one’s defense, to reasonably written laws so one can comprehend what is criminal behavior (Mount, 2006).


These rights are guaranteed to American citizens and foreigners arrested within our borders.

Geneva Conventions;
Article 97
Prisoners of war shall not in any case be transferred to penitentiary establishments (prisons, penitentiaries, convict prisons, etc.) to undergo disciplinary punishment therein.

What this means is they can’t be held in a prison for convicted criminals, they can not be placed with convicts at all. So if we put them in the legal system as you suggest we are breaking the law.

Article 104
In any case in which the Detaining Power has decided to institute judicial proceedings against a prisoner of war, it shall notify the Protecting Power as soon as possible and at least three weeks before the opening of the trial. This period of three weeks shall run as from the day on which such notification reaches the Protecting Power at the address previously indicated by the latter to the Detaining Power.
The said notification shall contain the following information:
1. Surname and first names of the prisoner of war, his rank, his army, regimental, personal or serial number, his date of birth, and his profession or trade, if any;
2. Place of internment or confinement;
3. Specification of the charge or charges on which the prisoner of war is to be arraigned, giving the legal provisions applicable;
4 . Designation of the court which will try the case, likewise the date and place fixed for the opening of the trial.
The same communication shall be made by the Detaining Power to the prisoners' representative.
If no evidence is submitted, at the opening of a trial, that the notification referred to above was received by the Protecting Power, by the prisoner of war and by the prisoners' representative concerned, at least three weeks before the opening of the trial, then the latter cannot take place and must be adjourned.
Article 105
The prisoner of war shall be entitled to assistance by one of his prisoner comrades, to defence by a qualified advocate or counsel of his own choice, to the calling of witnesses and, if he deems necessary, to the services of a competent interpreter. He shall be advised of these rights by the Detaining Power in due time before the trial.
Failing a choice by the prisoner of war, the Protecting Power shall find him an advocate or counsel, and shall have at least one week at its disposal for the purpose. The Detaining Power shall deliver to the said Power, on request, a list of persons qualified to present the defence. Failing a choice of an advocate or counsel by the prisoner of war or the Protecting Power, the Detaining Power shall appoint a competent advocate or counsel to conduct the defence.
The advocate or counsel conducting the defence on behalf of the prisoner of war shall have at his disposal a period of two weeks at least before the opening of the trial, as well as the necessary facilities to prepare the defence of the accused. He may, in particular, freely visit the accused and interview him in private. He may also confer with any witnesses for the defence, including prisoners of war. He shall have the benefit of these facilities until the term of appeal or petition has expired.

Particulars of the charge or charges on which the prisoner of war is to be arraigned, as well as the documents which are generally communicated to the accused by virtue of the laws in force in the armed forces of the Detaining Power, shall be communicated to the accused prisoner of war in a language which he understands, and in good time before the opening of the trial. The same communication in the same circumstances shall be made to the advocate or counsel conducting the defence on behalf of the prisoner of war.
The representatives of the Protecting Power shall be entitled to attend the trial of the case, unless, exceptionally, this is held in camera in the interest of State security. In such a case the Detaining Power shall advise the Protecting Power accordingly.

My words;
So according to you the trials are bogus. The funny thing is that they will be treated just like a member of the U.S. military, and in the trial they will get the same treatment and protections as an armed forces member. Are you suggesting that the terrorist should be treated better or worse than our own military? If you knew the laws then your claims would have some chance at validity but you want to disobey international law, and the Conventions just to put them on some sort of show trial which is also forbidden by the conventions. Just off the top of my head you want to break four or five laws and set prescience that would adversely affect our own military for decades.

Like I said it was a very well written article but you don’t know what your talking about.

Speak out all you want just understand that we are bound by international law. If they were captured in the States then that would be different, and in some cases we would have to try them by our local laws. In the case of the people detained in Gitmo they can’t be tried in a civilian court. They have the right to appeal the sentence to a civilian court, the precedence for that was set in WWII with the German spies that were convicted and some executed. Most of them appealed the military tribunal.
on Jul 08, 2008
Terrorist and spies are specifically NOT covered by international laws or the Geneva Conventions because all nations agreed they should not be. It means that if they are not in the uniform of their nation and caught on the battle field with a weapon they are considered spies and can be shot on the spot. This is why Iraqi soldiers are not in Gitmo because they wore the uniform of the Iraqi military. When these terrorist are caught they are documented. If anyone in the chain of custody messes with the documents they can be shot. Yes, the US punishment for messing with capture documents starts with 20 years hard labor in prison and ends with execution by firing squad. This is why I believe the people in Gitmo are terrorists.


There is still a grey area between a uniformed soldier and a terrorist/spy. For example, which side would be a guerilla fighter? He isn't commiting act of terrorism against civilian population, he is striking military targets. On the other hand, he isn't uniformed.

Talibans fighters who were arrested and sent to Gitmo (and NOT Al-Qaeda members. There is a difference between those organisations) probably weren't terrorism. They were a local militia/guerrilla who fought to defend their regime. You declare them illegal because they are not uniformed, but since it wasn't the custom of the Taliban regime to wear uniforms at all (since in this kind of country, the point of the uniform is pretty much ignored), it is all too easy to brand them "illegal soldiers".
on Jul 08, 2008
There is still a grey area between a uniformed soldier and a terrorist/spy. For example, which side would be a guerilla fighter?


Germany, Japan, Spain, and Great Briton all executed them as spies in the last war. Any American caught out of uniform was shot on the spot and there was noting we could do about it. It is not gray at all, it is determined by the country in power how they wish to handle the issue.

He isn't commiting act of terrorism against civilian population, he is striking military targets. On the other hand, he isn't uniformed.


That is the definition of a spy and saboteur, they get shot, no trial, do not pass go, do not get a prison camp.

Talibans fighters who were arrested and sent to Gitmo (and NOT Al-Qaeda members.


The Taliban were militia and legal combatants. If there was proof that they worked with terrorist then they got to go to Club Gitmo.

The Conventions have an article for the militia. If we attack and they just had time to arm and form into groups to fight us they are legal combatants. But they need to identify themselves as such when captured. If they remain silent then we do with them as we please. All of this happens as they go through the chain. At each level they are given the chance to declare who they are with. Based on what they say and any documents captured we either turn them over to Afghanis or the get a tropical vacation at Club Gitmo.

You see it is not all that gray after all. The rules are laid out long ago and every service person knows them. One mistake and you spend 20 years making little rocks out of big rocks. Do you want to go to prison because you want to pick on some guy for no reason? Remember that even after you leave the military they can bring you back to stand trial so you really have to hate someone to fudge the paper work.